It is the 22:th of Bahman today, the day which marks the victory of the Islamic Revolution in Iran. A short glance at the TV channels broadcasting live from within Iran reveals that the majority of the people are out on the streets celebrating. Iranian channels show clips of Imam Khomeini and the Revolution. Various sites, blogs and forums mentions the Revolution and speaks about it. Apparently I am falling into this category at the moment.
But let us ponder deep upon one thing: was the Revolution a static revolution with one goal, to overthrow the Shah and establish an Islamic Government, or was the Revolution a dynamic revolution whose purpose will not be fulfilled until the coming of Imam Mahdi(AJ)?
If betting was not haram in Islam I would bet that most of you who read this would lean towards the dynamic version. I would also bet that the majority of the adherents of the Islamic Revolution world wide would nod in agreement with you. Even I am willing to concur.
However real state facts reveal something else. Our post-revolution seem to have fallen into an Islamic version of the Romantic Era. Especially the second generation of the revolutionaries, that is you and me, who should move the Revolution one step closer to fulfill its dynamic goal, are high on on the memories of Imam Khomeini. It is as if we are abusers of the Refrain drug in Code Geass which puts the abuser into a state of tranquility by drowning her in beautiful moments of the past: “It was better before” to put it in a pro verb. We watch clips on YouTube all day long, make wallpapers, put on Basij scarves, wave flags, scream Marg bar Amrika, boycott some groceries, put up pictures of Imam Khomeini and Imam Khamenei on our walls, wear Hizbullah T-Shirts etc etc and believe that all of this make us the best supporters of the Revolution.
Well you are wrong. This is all Refrain. This is all being intoxicated with the sweet memories of the Islamic Revolution. This is what the enemy want. They want us to keep remembering Imam Khomeini and stop us from never BECOMING Imam Khomeini. They want us to remember the Revolution and stop us from moving the Revolution to THE NEXT STEP.
The Romantic Era of the Islamic Revolution, the one we are currently facing, is yet another shallow but subtle version of secularism. You believe politics and religion are one sure, you remember the pioneer of Islamism sure and you make some online activity and demonstrations – all of this you do, which is in the spirit of democracy, and it ties you up and distracts you from actually moving the Revolution to the next step – and there my friend you have fallen into the trap which has been laid out for you.
When Shaytan wishes to attack a true believer he does not come in the shape of meat or money he comes in the shape of religion. When Shaytan al-Akbar wishes to attack the second generation of the Revolution he does not come in the shape of Western culture – he comes in the shape of the Revolution. And there we sit all day long watching the Revolution while we in fact are watching Shaytan who has fulfilled his purpose of just letting us watch him rather then FIGHT HIM.
If you by now are thinking: “What is the next step of the Revolution?” then you have understood the message of this post.
No, I will not reveal what the next step is. I will not describe a road map for you to follow. What I want to do is dropping the stone of the Next Step into the pond of the mind of the second generation of the Revolution. Slowly the circles will spread and great thoughts will be provoked on how to turn these circles into huge waves. So start thinking to become mentally prepared, once then we can discuss the next step!
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hi
interesting to read your blog
i am sorry but you are unaware of the ground reality
majority of people here, do not want islamic republic
how have you turned your eyes upon millions of people protesting against the regime , the crimes of IRI by illegal detention , torture , mass killings of youth like me , who just oppose the regime’s form of governance?
no religion , let alone my shiite islam of holy emams allow this form of crime in the name of faith
please , take a broader view of the picture , no matter whatever you believe in and advocate .
@naader musavi
How do you know that the majority of the people don’t want an Islamic Republic? Could you refer to any concrete numbers, opinions and statistics more then what you and your friends might think?
The last elections where proof that the over 60% of the people voted not only for Ahmadinejad but also for the Islamic Republic. Please consider this.
Did you ever try to see how many people went to protest against the fraudulent elections?
so here are the statistics ,
Only four candidates were approved by the Guardian Council, out of the 476 men and women who had applied to seek the presidency of Iran in the 2009 election
source : Eqbali, Aresu (29 May 2009). “Iranian women need more rights: candidate’s wife”. AFP (Google News). Retrieved 25 June 2009.
what kind of rule is that?
media and channels of communications were blocked , including facebook.
which religion allows for such bans on public opinions?
“Iran blocks access to Facebook: report”. Gulf News. 24 May 2009. Retrieved 25 May 2009.
and there is much more, go check the internet for statistics
regardless of the fact whatever happened , atleast it is confirmed that Iranians do not UNANIMOUSLY want IRI , there is a segment that wants change , and it is growing over time
@naader musavi
Yes I did, wanna see?
http://www.ehsan.me/index.php/2010/01/10/my-nation-will-never-break/
1) Could you link to the source?
2) What does this have to do with how many supporting the Islamic Republic or not?
Again: What does this have to do with how many supporting the Islamic Republic or not?
We already know that. There has never been any government in the history of mankind which has been accepted unanimously by the masses. Even the governance of Imam Ali(A) was opposed by some. This does not however mean that the opposition is legitimate, righteous or in upper numbers. Fact remains: The victory of Ahmadinejad in the latest election proves that the majority still supports the Islamic Republic.
Only four candidates were approved by the Guardian Council, out of the 476 men and women who had applied to seek the presidency of Iran in the 2009 election
source : http://www.rieas.gr/research-areas/global-issues/middle-east-studies/1002-the-post-iranian-presidential-election-era-needs-strategy-.html
media and channels of communications were blocked , including facebook.
which religion allows for such bans on public opinions?
this shows that IRI is doing just what most dictators try to do in order to stay in power , which is a violation of basic human rights
I hope, after Egypt , its the turn of my homeland to have a revolution against religious dictatorship
and this http://www.ehsan.me/index.php/2010/01/10/my-nation-will-never-break/ is just a feel-good about yourself effort and nothing more
I hope, after Egypt , its the turn of my homeland to have a revolution against religious dictatorship.
no more discussion , since this is your lovey-dovey blog
Bismillah,
Asalamu alaikum,
I was thinking about this a few years ago… my 2 cents
http://bliszfuel.blogspot.com/2008/04/dawn-of-new-era.html
and also this a month or so before
http://bliszfuel.blogspot.com/2008/03/role-of-state-in-internet-censorship.html
It seems to be a fact, you can’t make someone love even the best ideas, you have to inspire them to it… or they have to make a lot of mistakes then finally discover that love within themselves. I worry about this phenomenon on the micro-level when becoming a parent, as well as the macro-level manifestations in missing the point of a protective ideology, and rebelling against a perceived “nanny state”
So, ideas?
Instead we have we have statistics from statistic organisations outside of Iran in antagonist territories (i.e world public opinion) revealing great numbers, far above the majority, voting for president Ahmadinejad and the IRI.
Those who hate the republic today could say to be of two groups:
1. People who are against an Islamic rule, any rule, not just a bad one, but any islamic rule where shari’ah governs people.
2. People who are convinced that the IRI is more damaging than healing. It’s wrongs and dark spots are too many and too powerful to be overcome by it’s rights and aid to iranians and mankind.
Well, Nader I have to warn you that there is no point to point out the flaws in the argument of Ehsan and his followers. It is however nice Ehsan that you allow everybody to post in your blog, a privilege of freedom of speech that is not granted people in Iran by your beloved islamic republic of Iran.
I’ll have to once again write about the suppression of this freedom of speech in Iran so that people that wander into this site, but might not know about the situation in Iran don’t get the wrong idea. In todays Iran several prominent religious leader (people who together with Khomeini advocated an Islamic republic) are in jail or house arrest, because they don’t like the way IRI has shaped up (example Ayatollah Sayyid Hossein Kazemeini Boroujerdi).
Now this is their treatment of people who are for an islamic republic but would like it to be governed in another way, to officially say that you want democracy and that you don’t want an Islamic republic is all together forbidden and connected with danger of execution under accusation of enimity with God (moharebeh).
This is the face of the IRI today. In fact many known and respected advocates for human rights in Iran are in jail on among other charges of enimity with God, i.e.
Shiva Nazar Ahari, a 27 year old journalist who have staged campaigns to increase women rights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Nazar_Ahari
Mohammad Maleki, 76 year old former president of the University of Tehran, who has publicly criticized the handling of the demonstrations in Iran:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Maleki
and the list can be made much longer.
Of course supporters and benefiters of this regime would not like to discuss this cases and rely to back up their cases on statistics from the regime it self. But remember, Saddam Hussein could show that 99% of the people voted for him, so I don’t think you should rely on the statistics made up by a dictatorship.
Nader and Moheb, thanks for your insightful information. I think it is great that you mix some realism into the romantic picture that Ehsan and his fellows hold of Iran.
When being safe in a democratic country (Sweden) where you are used to free speech, it can be difficult to imagine what it’s like living in a repressive state and also forgetting that much of the government propaganda is nothing more than propaganda. During the 60-70′s there where lot’s of Swedes supporting Mao’s cultural revolution. Again the romantic filter stopped them from seeing the reality, however with today’s communication tools it should be more difficult to avoid seeing the reality. I hope..
@Moheb
No they are not in house arrest simply because “they don’t like the way IRI has shaped up”. This is naive thinking and falling prey for Western propaganda. There are dozens of scholars who don’t agree with Wilayat Faqih who are not imprisoned or in house arrest. One should ask oneself: “Why is scholar X not in house arrest while scholar Y is it when they are saying the same thing?”
And the outcome will be that the problem is not in what they are saying but what they are doing. It is when this “I don’t like” leads the person to stir up the masses and cause public disorder that legal measures are taken.
By whom are they respected? Why are they respected? And why are they in jail? Enmity with God is quite a harsh crime, what does this mean? If you want to convince me of this you need more neutral and authentic sources then Wikipedia. Exactly what are the crimes they have been prosecuted?
In the recent Ashtiani case we saw how gravely the Western media twisted the case against IRI. Obviously in an ongoing propaganda war with an enemy that has massive financial and digital resources it is quite hard to discern right from manipulated facts or plain wrongs and lies. Please understand this.
You are wrong. We are not relying on statistics made up by IRI. In an independent poll The New America Foundation proved that the victory of Ahmadinejad during the 2009 elections was valid and authentic. This is statistics provided by an independent neutral third part.
@Osunt
Thanks for a good laugh. You are a perfect example of how a Swede thinks he know better about the reality of matters inside Iran by relying upon Western propaganda. I mean of course all the millions who rallied FOR the Islamic Republic are all Sepah and Basij who have been driven there or paid by the Government. I think not.
But sure. You go on living in the dream of democracy* and we will go on awakening people from the nightmare and let’s see who is victorious at the end.
*Please note that with democracy the Western liberal form of democracy that has caused millions of deaths is meant.
Well, the hypocrisy of you and people like you, and the intellectual dishonesty that you show speaks for it self. Your own Khomeini was once a person whose views stirred up people. People died in demonstrations at the 79 revolution because they wanted a system change just like now. But of course by your way of reasoning, those demonstrations were wrong and it would have been right to imprison Khomeini or even have executed him.
Of course arguing with you is like trying to argue with a denier of holocaust, futile, cause logic does no apply, and you could always phantom some world conspiration as a reason why so many facts show what you say is bulls**t.
I don’t need to convince you of anything, The fact is, sure you don’t need to rely on wikipedia or any other new outlet either, but you wouldn’t believe Amnesty International, UN or Human rights watch either when they show that IRI is executing and putting people in jail just for expressing their opinion (one of the definitions of fascism and dictatorship), but that reflects more on what type of person you are, and ultimately all people have to base their belief on which sources they believe and rely on more.
@Moheb
You are quite a comedian I must say. You are calling me a hypocrite simply because I ask of more neutral sources for your allegations than Wikipedia?
In what international court in any given country is Wikipedia a valid source to prove that an injustice has occured? What a load of ribberish!
There is a difference between the movements during 79 and today and the difference is that THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE in those days where AGAINST the Shah and today they are FOR the Islamic Republic.
I have always said this and I Will continue saying it: it is the will of the people that should count. I would not have been in favour of an Islamic Republic in Iran if the majority of the people would not want so. I am not for an Islamic State in Sweden for the same reason as the majority of the Swedes do not want such a thing. You who proclaim yourself of being such a great advocate of democracy and mention fancy names who you look up to and whom you think struggles for the same cause as you: why are you objecting to the will of the people?
This is the true hypocrisy that must stop. The West’s support of the democratically elected Hamas in Palestine has been withdrawn just because they are Islamists. Well if the people want Sharia, what is your problem?
Since you mentioned the word logics (and I do wonder what that word means for you) let me ask you something:
IF the majority of the people in Iran would want an Islamic Republic with the system of Wilayat Faqih, would you still call it a dictatorship?
Hehe, you are the comedian buddy, even if it is unintentional. You very well know that I called you a hypocrite and intellectually dishonest because of your contradictory opinions and not the wikipedia comment, once again proving your dishonesty. Instead of arguing against Amnesty, Human right watch and UN you hang up your argument on wikipeida. And guess what I can google up a lot more names of Iranian people who are executed or jailed by the IRI who all of the above organization question the Iranian regimes treatment of. Just because you think there name is fancy, it doesn’t make them less real people and you belittling their destiny shows what kind of person you are.
Now to your question, first the majority of the people don’t want the wilayat faqih, and I’m 100% sure that if there would be a referendum now, they would be kicked out.
Secondly on a principal level, yes, if the majority of the people would vote for a fascistic regime, or a dictatorial governmental system what you would end up with is a dictatorship. I don’t think I need to point to examples of dictatorships that have come to power in this way.
Hi Ehsan!
Well said! You are great!
I recommend you to ignore Moheb since he is spreading american propaganda covered in the name of democracy and free speech.
Moheb, do your self a favour and read about the real secrets behind the so called “green movement” in Iran:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article160764.html
Ehsan, thanks for a great blogg
It’s a pitty that you don’t make me smile. I’m so tired of people living far away from the reality of Iran, being so naive that they believe the Iranian propaganda.
If you think the western democracy is so terrible – why not moving to Iran and living your dream?
@Moheb
Let me re-phrase my question since you seem to have misunderstood my point:
IF the majority of the people in Iran would want an Islamic Republic with the system of Wilayat Faqih, would you still call it compulsion and oppression?
Please note that an Islamic Republic per definition is NOT a dictatorship, it is a theocracy. This is something I have clarified in another post: Iran är en teokrati
@Martin
Thanks for the creds! It sure feels good that there still are some healthy souls out there!!
@Osunt
I’m also tired of people living far away from the reality of Iran. Eh, naive? What sources except mainstream media have you been following regarding the question of Iran? How can you be so certain that the victim of propaganda is not you and your ilk? There are always two sides of the story; I try listening to both before choosing – what about you?
Oh the hackneyed question of why I don’t move to Iran you can read about in another post of mine: Varför jag inte flyttar till Iran
First off Martin ( I doubt actually that your name is Martin), I think your hate for US makes you support a horrible dictatorships that oppose US. I oppose US in many ways to, but i don’t go supporting disgusting dictatorships, and spread there propaganda like you do.
Now to the brilliant Ehsan:
Iran is per definition a DICTATORSHIP.
1. Its oppressing its opposition. Here I’m not only talking about Mousavi and Karroubi, these two are actually two former disciples of Khomeini and there for where even allowed to run for elections. Most people shouldn’t even bother.
2. There is no freedom of speech. Dangerous sites like Amnesty international are blocked.
3. The judiciary system is in many instances a joke. Many political trials are by any international law standards merely show trials, were the prosecutor and the judge are one and the same.
4. Iran has horrible record when it comes to human wrights. Check that one out with organizations like Amnesty international and Human wrights watch.
well I think I can rest my case there. It will not change your opinion Ehsan, because you are using all your intellect to lie and hide the truth as convincingly as you can to your self and to others.
peace and death to dictatorship
Moheb
@Moheb
No you are wrong. Iran is not per definition a dictatorship, it is a theocracy.
Since it is a theocracy meaning an Islamic Government it has the right to:
1) Oppose opposition which goes directly against Islam which is the foundation of the Government, similarly to how Islamism or Communism is opposed in Western Democracies.
2) There is freedom of speech, but just like every other countries there is is a red line drawn for how far that freedom of speech can go. Since Iran has chosen an Islamic Government and NOT an absolute liberal democracy the freedom of speech doesn’t allow certain things. Even in Sweden there are some holy grails which you are not allowed to touch.
3) Do you have concrete statistics which verifies that in fact the majority of the political trials are a joke or are you making assumptions? If you are making assumptions you must understand that I can not simply believe what you say just because you are saying it. I like to build up my opinions based upon valid and verified facts which I often re-verify a couple of times just to make sure.
Further once again Iran is an Islamic Government where the rule of the Quran is above all rules and there are certainly some rules in Islam which might be opposed by the international law but in such circumstances the Quran overrides them all since this is the choice of the people, please understand this.
4) Most if not all countries have records in Amnesty, some of them are valid, others aren’t. We are not defending the injustices which are made in Iran but we do not judge the entire system for what certain criminals within the system does.
By the way you should read Paul de Rooij’s article Amnesty International: A False Beacon?
Finally it is very bold of you to judge my intentions in this discussion. You by no means have all the input and data to be able to make a correct judgement of what my intentions are. You contradict yourself when you speak of joke trials while you allow yourself to make such grave judgements on such weak grounds. You have disappointed me there Moheb, I was expecting better of you.
May God forgive me if I would ever utter a lie and may He correct you if you are wrong.
As brother Ehsan has stated, there is no discussion regarding wrongs that are committed in Iran. Which country in the world is free from error?
Which country has a satisfying freedom of speech policy?
Which country in the world has a rule that 100% of it’s people accept?
I will only reply to Mohebs first comment as all of his other comments except for the last one are plain attacks on brother Ehsan and his stand, and the last comment has already been answered so greatly by brother Ehsan.
Regarding Ayatollah Burujerdi, the modern one and not the teacher of the Islamic Republic of Iran, one should correct Moheb. Ayatollah Burujerdi, the modern one, believes in and propagated for a modern secular government where religion is split from politics which also goes against the very core of Welayat Faqih which Imam Khomeini established with the aid of the majority iranians at the time of the revolution.
So he is not amongst the “people who are for an islamic republic but would like it to be governed in another way”. He clearly states in his speeches that religion should be apart from politics, which could be todays USA (western “indirect” democracy)) or Cuba (Southamerican “fidelian” communism) or Sweden (another western “indirect” democracy).
Nevertheless I believe that Islam would allow fredom of speech to the people who are against the core of a government such as Wilayat Faqih given the right conditions. However, this man did not act accordingly to the right conditions. He called for drastic changes, which in other terms means revolution which is forbidden by not Iran, but ANY government in ANY country ANYWHERE in the world.
The night before he was arrested by the iranian police he had gathered a great number of followers equipped with weapons ready for a fight….
Which country do you live in Moheb and how would your police and government deal with them?
Even if he were to say “I love you police and authority. I want everlasting peace with you police and authority. I don’t want to fight you police and authority. Let me just approach you with these cute followers of Peace abd change our country’s state of government police and authority!”
How would your government deal with them?
Please be aware that he didn’t even say these things. He criticized the government for the country being afflicted with drugs, famine, divorce, criminality, sicknesses etc. etc. and said that he and his followers oppose a government which is infused together with religion. He claimed to walk the same path as Imam Hossein(A) and clearly wanted a revolution.
Of course the US and zionisthaven were and are all for him which makes this futile attempt for a revolution a foreign invasion such as in the time of the shah and his “White Revolution”.
Furthermore I just want to read your opinions about the US statistics company World Public Opinion that unleashed two reports on the favourable status of the current iranian government amongst the iranian people. The first report was unleashed three weeks before the latest presidential elections while the latter one was unleashed three months after the presidential election, amidst the 8 months long US-led protests and violent clashes of the “green revolution” attempters and the police.
What do you have to say about those statistics?
Are those statistics also included in the IRI-supporters way “to back up their cases on statistics from the regime it self”
Please watch the following scene of illegal demonstration and reflect on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvfIu-tIr_I
As I allready stated, this is an ILLEGAL protest that professor Abbasi handles very nobly. Have you seen the like of it anywhere else in the world or only in Iran?
I live in Sweden and come to think of the 2001 illegal protests against the visit of the tyrant Bush and the EU-meeting here in Sweden in the city of Gothenburg. The police stormed the peaceful protesters which led to a clash between angered protesters and police. Later on the police also manipulated a video of a protester being shot down to lure the court that they shot him during an attack by many protesters together. Lots of girls and boys who sat down peacefully were beaten down and abused and arrested by the police there.
A good series that analyses the events is ett år efter skottet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj7A-j5b3ug
Also back to the Abbasi lecture, listen to the roars of the protesters between 0:30-1:00 and the harmonic silence of the protesters between 3:30-4:00 and on forth til the end. You will only hear around 3-5 people yelling slogans, that is to say if at all
Actually only two guys and a girl, the guys respond to professor Abbasis invitatino for them to step inside the classroom while only one girl yells “Death to dictatorahip”.
One last thing Moheb, I agree with you on one point only, which is:
ultimately all people have to base their belief on which sources they believe and rely on more.